WAKE UP PEOPLE!
California lawmakers became the first in the country to approve a bill allowing same-sex marriages following Senate approval last week. Now the nation waits alongside Californians to see if Governor Arnie will veto the bill. Including Randy Thomasson, president of the Campaign for Children and Families, a conservative group opposed to the bill, who said Schwarzenegger should veto it. "Schwarzenegger can't afford to sign the gay marriage license bill," he said. "He'll actually become a hero to the majority of Californians when he vetoes it."
Want to know what really grinds me? Those who call themselves conservatives and hide behind the cloak of "families, morals, and values" as if they hold the monopoly. Well guess what dickhead, I have children and family and I think you and your campaign are full of shit.
The focus needs to be stay on gay and lesbian couples' rights to the same livelihood and happiness as their heterosexual counterparts. Not interpreting bible semantics to perpetuate bigotry, exclusion and hatred. I'm no religious expert, but I'm fairly confident that the teachings of Jesus promoted acceptance, tolerance, and love -- especially for those suffering. So just where do these morons get off thinking their negative interpretations of the bible are God's will?
If you don't like gay couples, too damn bad. Get over it. They're humans too!
posted by Sar at 10:52 AM
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And a very happy birthday to that special person who sometimes favors purple hair.
Nedhead, where's your icon? Araider, you need one. My shoe looks gigantic between you two.
My opinion on the subject has almost nothing to do with morality or gay rights. The part of marriage that bleongs to the law is basically tax law with a little bit of interstate commerce and property. Marriage is moral. Marriage law isn't. Seems like that can circulate the same for everyone.
Hurray for my home state!
You'd be shocked, though, at how conservative it can be here.
Other than the bulk of the bay area, and that very little island of weirdness in Hollywood, CA is no more "Liberal" than any other moderate state.
Check the history of our governors. We've had more republicans than dems over the last 35 years.
Check the votes for prez in that same time. Nixon, Reagan, and Bush1 the first time all scored big here.
We are fairly progressive in a lot of ways, but there are PLENTY of backwoods counties out there.
CA is fucking HUGE, remember.
Besides, what Kinky has been saying in his run for the guv of Texas about gay marriage:
"They should be allowed to be as miserable as the rest of us."
It's really unfortunate that Schwarzenegger has said he'll veto it that way "the courts can figure it out." If I'm not mistaken, the legislature was supposed to act first and then the court can figure it out. Sure seems like the legislature figured this one out ok.
Doug - But the zealots don't see it that way. They see it as their obligation to protect the "sanctity" of marriage. Well, I'm sorry, but isn't the fundamental basis of that very sanctity love, not who or how you express love?!
Mike - Kinky's right. I mean left. I like his common logic, but don't be fooled, he's no dummy either. Anyone catch him on Real Time? Funny guy with a lot say.
Araider - I believe when you log into your blogger profile there's an option to update your profile and an option to upload an image. Email me (in my profile) and I can walk you through it a little better.
CW - It'll sure be a test of how deep Arnie is or isn't in the Republican pocket. That said, I don't like the out he gave himself by deferring to the court's ruling.
Nedhead - I like the second one better too. Glad you're back! :)
Blog on, sister!
And, quite frankly, I think it is past time that gay comedians get to do jokes about marriage.
No one thinks of the poor gay comedians, too long denied this fertile field of material.
If you dechristianize the issue, there is no reason to discriminate. This is a church and state issue.
I wrote a post called "A Libertarian Manifesto" a long time back, that went into all of this.
It boils down to this: Is marriage a legal institution with spiritual implications, or a religious institution with legal trappings? If it is a legal one, then everyone is guaranteed a right to it. If it is a spiritual/religious one first and foremost, then NO ONE'S marriage is legal, as it disintegrates into another church and state issue.
Think about it...
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These Bible-humpers are so concerned about families and children, unless the families are drowning in New Orleans. Then it's "they should have left. Why did they stay? It's their own fault."
Gabriel- Legally speaking, a marriage is a legal institution with spiritual implications. And no, not everyone has a right to a legally recognized one... Are we depriving our minor children of rights by not letting them get married? Nope. I personally don't give a crap if the holy rollers throw around that "sanctity" b.s. as an argument against gay marriage. That's their story.
And why do the local/state/federal governments even recognize marriage as a legal institution? (Here's a hint: It has nothing to do with religion.)
It's because those governments would prefer that you raise your children in a functional, traditional family. Couples even get benefits to do so. (And yes, I know many married people don't have children. They are just abusing the intent of marriage laws, I guess.)
TLM, I'm not sure I agree that the purpose is as you say, but I agree with you. I'd vote to disestablish marriage as a legal institution to be replaced with voluntary commitments. Especially now that divorce is so common, that's the reality anyway. I'm a pretty committed bachelor, though. Legal marriage is pretty clearly not a promise of a well-functioning home.
doug- Well, sure... marriage isn't a cure-all for dysfunctional homes, but it's a start. I just can't see what other purpose a legal marriage has. (I've always been opposed to gay marriage, solely on the grounds that is isn't the most ideal scenario for raising kids... But I'm slowly coming around to the idea. Especially seeing how hopelessly inept a sizable chunk of heterosexual parenting couples are nowadays!)
And I'd go along with your idea of disestablishing marriage too. It's a very good one, I think.
Thanks, Chris. :) And you're right, there's A LOT of comedic material available there!
Gabriel, I found your comment very profound. As far as straight up discrimination goes, I think you hit the nail on the head. And I'm still thinking.
I agree, Tom. I can't stand hypocritical people, especially those whose ignorant (in)actions are done "in support of families" or "in the name of Jesus".
Doug - Excellent point. What does in fact make an ideal home for raising kids are the adult role models, regardless of the familial configuration. And that's looking beyond sexuality, including domestic partners, to homes where kids are raised by extended family members too.
TLM - I'm not going to browbeat you with all the reasons why you should have supported gay marriage and parenting from the get go. On the contrary, I'd like to tell you how impressed and proud of you I am for allowing yourself flexibility in your views. (An aside, that's why you've become one of my favorite commenters here, truth be told.) Flexible views are the first step towards moving beyond and eventually ending biggotry. Keep making me proud, TLM!
yea, I'm pretty familiar with the Kinkster.
I've read all his books, he's funny as hell.
I don't get it. If it's such an insult to marriage and a crime against the will of God, why not just let God take care of them later?
Let them get the marriage benefits (which are quite sweet, by the way), and kindly shut the fuck up.
Mike - We'll have to post about him at some point. It'll certainly run the gammet between humerous entertainment and politics!
Maine - Apparently the zealots think their judgement supercedes God's. And you think the marriage benefits are sweet? Just wait till that little girl of yours shows up (btw, should be soon, no?).
Thanks, Sar, I appreciate your support!
Ahnold is going to veto. What a jerk.
Ap3 - welcome! And you're welcome. I agree, he's a jerk. And a coward.
All, Ap3 is part of the Pez family who are regular commenters over at Doug's site. She's good people and freakin smart too!
Thanks for this post Sar.
I guess I'm surprised still by the argument that being raised by gay parents is a big problem. ALL the gay people I know were raised by straight parents. HELLLLLOOOOOO.
Funny, Tan Lucy. It reminds me of an old joke Bobcat Goldthwaite used to tell: "If gay people can't breed why are the so many more of them than there used to be?"
TLP - you are welcome and a testiment to good parenting. You've got some cool kids there mamma pez. And really, who gives a shit whether the parents are gay or the kids are gay, or both. So long as they're happy, that's ALL that should matter. Beyond that is pure ignorance.
Doug - we must have been commenting at the same time. That joke's on target w/TLP's comment & pretty funny in that context.
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