Sound Destruction: NOT THE TRUE NUMBERS?

Wednesday, June 22, 2005


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Officially, 63 US Military Deaths in Iraq from 1 through 17 May, 2005 – Official Total of 1,814 US Dead to date (and rising)

U.S. Military Personnel who died in German hospitals or en route to German hospitals have not previously been counted. They total about 6,210 as of 1 January, 2005. The ongoing, underreporting of the dead in Iraq, is not accurate. The DoD is deliberately reducing the figures. A review of many foreign news sites show that actual deaths are far higher than the newly reduced ones.

There is excellent reason to believe that the Department of Defense is deliberately not reporting a significant number of the dead in Iraq. We have received copies of manifests from the MATS that show far more bodies shipped into Dover AFP than are reported officially. The educated rumor is that the actual death toll is in excess of 7,000. Given the officially acknowledged number of over 15,000 seriously wounded, this elevated death toll is far more realistic than the current 1,700+ now being officially published.

not that we ever really know what the truth is but this article makes some good points. I would not be shocked if this were true but could it be that american casualties are really 300 - 400% more?

I knew when the war started that we were only really told the 'combat related deaths'but Ii never do hear how many have really died as a result of the military action in iraq.

it would make sense to me if these numbers were correct.

anyone out there know more about this?


Blogger David Schantz said...

I think we were lied to all the way through the Vietnam War too.We're still getting lies about the POW's and MIA's we left in Vietnam. No, I can't tell you more about it. I can suggest you go to, click on the contact us link and see if they can help. Looking at your bio I noticed your interested in music. I'd also like to suggest you go to Poker Face is a patriotic/protest rock band. You can read about them and listen to some of their music at their site.

God Bless America, God Save The Republic.

9:44 PM  
Blogger strider said...

right on. thanks for the tip on the band. i will check it out.

i am begining to wonder if there is anything we are NOT lied to about.

10:15 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Who publishes TBRNews?

11:32 PM  
Blogger Random Personae said...

I doubt we will really know the death toll until well after the war is over. Governments are reluctant to release facts that may shed negative light on their war effort. They hope that the eventual outcome will be such that the price payed in lives doesn't seem so bad.

2:22 AM  
Anonymous JJ said...

The numbers are definitely being adjusted for public consumption.

300-400%? Perhaps.

I also wonder about the Iraqi death toll. They are human beings after all - and surely their numbers are astonishing.

6:57 AM  
Blogger Nedhead said...

I agree JJ, no seems to care about the Iraqi dead.

And no doubt the real number of American dead will never be known. What is the problem with honesty?

8:40 AM  
Anonymous pia said...

Honesty doesn't exist in this admin. Began I believe with Florida, and just keeps on getting worse.

If I didn't love this country so much I would leave it!

9:34 AM  
Blogger SheaNC said...

I have heard that the casualty numbers reported by the government do not include soldiers who were mortally injured in Iraq (or Afghanistan) and flown to Germany for medical treatment, where they died. Since they didn't die while they were still in the country where they were wounded, they are not listed as a casualty from there. Typical "cooking the numbers" stuff.

9:55 AM  
Blogger Sar said...

Fuzzy math strikes again.

10:29 AM  
Blogger Jack Burden said...

Yeah, this is old hat to the military. As David pointed out, they were famous for lying about body counts, both ours and the enemy, throughout the Vietnam War.

I'm a little surprised that more military/ex-military people haven't spoken up about this. Do they not consider this an act of disrespect by the government that has sent htem in harm's way?

11:14 AM  
Blogger Jaime said...

i am so glad that both my little brother and sister are headed to iraq by the end of the year . . yeah, right on Bush.

fucking idiot.

2:17 PM  
Blogger MoxieGrrrl said...

Actually, I believe that the folks from Bring It On were just kicking this rumor around in emails to each other today - as far as I can tell (I deleted my old mail so I can't check), it's not true. Families would be screaming if their child's name wasn't listed among the honored dead. I don't think it's possible to lie about this kind of thing.

12:09 AM  
Blogger Jason said...

Our troops are dying over there and recruitment is way down. If our government is planning to keep this war going for a while without reinstating the draft, we need to get people to join up. And who are the ones who should volunteer to go over and fight this war? How about the people who support it? That's why we bloggers on the left need to support Operation Yellow Elephant! We need to urge these young and able bodied war supporters to do more than just slap a magnetic ribbon on their car. It's time for them to step up and put their money where their mouths are. So go to the local army recruitment center and get a big stack of enlistment papers and brochures to hand out to these young patriots. You can also put them on the windsheilds of cars with the magnetic ribbons, or just on any SUV you see since we're over there to help feed their gas guzzling addiction.

5:36 PM  
Blogger Sar said...

Thanks for the update, Mox, it makes sense. Though I agree with JJ and the other supporting commenters that it's just wrong how the "offical" numbers don't reflect Iraqi casualties, especially when we're supposed to be in there giving them a better life, not the opposite.

BTW, Jason - You have Karl Rove written all over you!

9:02 AM  

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